September 15th, 2001

Beatles

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This is a Live Journal , djlavey, who was born in Afghanistan, has family there, and has been following the politics of that region longer than most of us. Please read his words. Please pass them on. He may not be representative of every damn person there, but you know what? I bet he speaks for a whole lot of them.

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=10676643

(this post taken from tsenft's LJ)

I'm not sure about all this but, I might add that, as far as I know:

For the last 4 years, Afghanistan has suffered from a drought. The only way that anyone has survived, is because of help from Pakistan, and huge efforts from Rescue Organisations such as The Red Cross/Halfmoon, UN etc etc. In fact, I think Afghanistan is about number one in a lot of Rescue Organisation's lists of countries in the most need of help.

Some 20 - 25 (?) years ago, a civil war started in Afghanistan, with the result that the Soviet Union went in on request from one side in that war. In a way, which very much resembles USA stepping in when Iraq invaded Kuwait. In fact, USA was very involved, through Bin Ladin, in Afghanistan. Basically only short of sending in troops. Soviet retreated, and later fell apart. I'm not sure what USA did. USA were still friendly with Bin Ladin until after the Gulf War, at least. Whatever. The civil war in Afghanistan continued, but since Soviet had retreated, it was back to obligation. Nobody cared about Afghanistan before, and when USA (and the western world) didn't had the Soviet to complain about any longer, lost all interest in what happened there. At least it didn't made the news anymore. What was left, was a country in total chaos, and among the poorest countries in the world. It was easy for all kinds of people afraid of the light, to step in. To call Afghanistan a country, is a slight exaggeration. It's a country suffering from total anarchy, without anyone having anything resembling control.
Beatles

America - the land of the free

I don't know if I have anyone who list me as a Friend in LJ, that doesn't at least in part agree with what I've said in previous postings, or at least has an understanding in what I've tried to say, anymore?

I'm not in America. That way I only have to "trust" what I see on BBC World, CNN (sometimes) and Swedish Media. (The interesting difference is that CNN, and other USA Media, has the catchy "America - Under Attack" as their caption, while BBC World uses "Terror in USA". I'm not gonna say which I think is a pretty good and accurate description, and which I think is an encouragment for war). At least I don't have to satisfy with a biased media. Also what I've seen in forums, read in LJ, seen on cams etc.

I don't say all Americans, not even a majority, etc, or the goverment (they have their agenda no matter what, anyway, which may or may not be the same as what a majority of the American people wants. In fact, as far as I remember, of those bother to vote, a majority, or att least as many, didn't want the goverment USA has now. I don't know if it had made much of a difference, a time like this, but.. ), do think this way.

I've always thought USA, the American way, and the Democracy that USA wants to call democracy, has been about tolerance and freedom. Not long ago, there raged a debate about freedom of speech (a very honored American right (Just a fact on the side, Sweden were first in the world to state in law such a thing as Freedom of speech). Some time ago, a debate about what Freedom of speech meant, raged in LJ (When there were a debate if an entry in LJ about Stacy's suicide-attempt should be censored or not). I think the general conclusion was that all seems to like Freedom of speech when it suits them, but that they want to censor everything that doesn't suit them.

In some of my entries the last days, I've expressed a slightly different view from what some thinks is USA friendly. As in, either you're for or against USA, and if you're for USA you should make a posting that states that you should bomb basically the whole Islamic world. In fact, I've never stated I'm against USA (as far as I know), or that I support the hideous crime that happend the previous Tuesday. I haven't even said I'm for the Islamic world, or their rights. What I've said I'm against, is the way USA, aided by media, throws away the exact things that USA celebrates and wants to protect.

Since I'm from Sweden (as in: not USA), I basically have no right in expressing my opinion. Yeah.. That's tolerance, gone to hell. And since I don't express opinions that's for USA, I should shut the fuck up! Hmm... freedom of speech thrown out the window.
Hmm.. I kinda wonder if I'm not gonna convert to Islam, and join some extreme Muslim liberation front, after all, since the country I believed stood for fairness, freedom, all humans equal right, doesn't seem to be USA.

I know most of you reading this, thinks about the same, in one way or another. I know you're people that still believes in that freedom etc. That way, I could only plea that you, as many of you have done already, makes those that right now is destroying what USA is, and should be all about, doesn't succeed.
Beatles

America - the land of the free

I don't know if I have anyone who list me as a Friend in LJ, that doesn't at least in part agree with what I've said in previous postings, or at least has an understanding in what I've tried to say, anymore?

I'm not in America. That way I only have to "trust" what I see on BBC World, CNN (sometimes) and Swedish Media. (The interesting difference is that CNN, and other USA Media, has the catchy "America - Under Attack" as their caption, while BBC World uses "Terror in USA". I'm not gonna say which I think is a pretty good and accurate description, and which I think is an encouragment for war). At least I don't have to satisfy with a biased media. Also what I've seen in forums, read in LJ, seen on cams etc.

I don't say all Americans, not even a majority, etc, or the goverment (they have their agenda no matter what, anyway, which may or may not be the same as what a majority of the American people wants. In fact, as far as I remember, of those bother to vote, a majority, or att least as many, didn't want the goverment USA has now. I don't know if it had made much of a difference, a time like this, but.. ), do think this way.

I've always thought USA, the American way, and the Democracy that USA wants to call democracy, has been about tolerance and freedom. Not long ago, there raged a debate about freedom of speech (a very honored American right (Just a fact on the side, Sweden were first in the world to state in law such a thing as Freedom of speech). Some time ago, a debate about what Freedom of speech meant, raged in LJ (When there were a debate if an entry in LJ about Stacy's suicide-attempt should be censored or not). I think the general conclusion was that all seems to like Freedom of speech when it suits them, but that they want to censor everything that doesn't suit them.

In some of my entries the last days, I've expressed a slightly different view from what some thinks is USA friendly. As in, either you're for or against USA, and if you're for USA you should make a posting that states that you should bomb basically the whole Islamic world. In fact, I've never stated I'm against USA (as far as I know), or that I support the hideous crime that happend the previous Tuesday. I haven't even said I'm for the Islamic world, or their rights. What I've said I'm against, is the way USA, aided by media, throws away the exact things that USA celebrates and wants to protect.

Since I'm from Sweden (as in: not USA), I basically have no right in expressing my opinion. Yeah.. That's tolerance, gone to hell. And since I don't express opinions that's for USA, I should shut the fuck up! Hmm... freedom of speech thrown out the window.
Hmm.. I kinda wonder if I'm not gonna convert to Islam, and join some extreme Muslim liberation front, after all, since the country I believed stood for fairness, freedom, all humans equal right, doesn't seem to be USA.

I know most of you reading this, thinks about the same, in one way or another. I know you're people that still believes in that freedom etc. That way, I could only plea that you, as many of you have done already, makes those that right now is destroying what USA is, and should be all about, doesn't succeed.
Beatles

A reply to Electrobop

I do understand you! Believe me or not. Of course, I can't "feel" it the way you do, of course. I'm not directly affected. Even if I, in a vague sense does, since that hideous attack, affects me in one way or another, in the long run.

There of course, is a million different views about this.

If you ask a lot of people in Islamic countries, they say exactly the same as you.That USA has made war on them for a long time, with millions of Muslims killed, and that now it's time to strike back.
I don't agree with neither them, nor you. Because you're both right, and you're both wrong. That's something I've been saying all the time.
What I've also said, is that I think war always is the worst solution to a problem, because war never solve anything, it only makes a war go on and on and on.
What I've been against all the time, is war, not that you should find the evil being behind behind this and do something about it. Now, the general opinion expressed in several places is a total war against all Muslims. Not an isolated fight against the few (relatively) terrorists/criminals in the world. Usama Bin Ladin is a criminal, and as such, he should be brought to a court room, if it's possible. He, not the whole of Afghanistan.

In fact, He has his agenda, USA has it's agenda and many Muslim countries has their agenda. Bin Ladin's agenda involves creating a war between USA and the Muslim countries. A war he thinks the Muslims would win. If you go to war with the Muslim countries, you're doing exactly what Bin Ladin wants. Playing right into his hands. He's been able to do what he set out to do, and gains from.

Am I insensitive to your fear, anger and sorrow? No. I hope not. I may step on some peoples feelings, I admit, by not agreeing to your view.

USA is, in a sense, a very innocent and naive country. You've been able to live in "peace" over there. You haven't had a war on your territory since 1812 (I think), with another country. Mexico, and Pearl Harbour in 194? (2). The last full out war in USA, was the American Civil War 1861 - 1864, following the Revolutionary war in the 1770's.
You're also a country with citizens that generally thinks USA is trying to do good in the world, that you're only wanting the best for the world. (In my opinion, you're both right and wrong about that. USA do a lot of good, but also a lot of bad). Obviously there are people in the world that thinks differently, that USA is only doing what is good for USA.

Whatever, out of the blue, there's this horrible event. An event that causes about 5,000 deaths, affects about 50,000 friends and relatives to those. That forever change the look of a major city, loved by many.

That, of course, creates a fear among USA citizens, and a feeling of being "lost". Emotions going wild. Not knowing what to think, how to react and do? Naturally, it's not a feeling that pleases anyone. You don't want to feel that way, and you react with rage against what caused you feeling in that way. Your natural reaction is to fight it, to strike back. Make your feeling of being lost, go away. To, in some way, return to something that was before. Trust me, I do understand that. Trust me, I would probably feel the same as you, if I'd been in the same situation.

Still, it's those who isn't in your situation, as me, lots of other citizens of USA, and other around the world, not being in that situation, to try to create a foundation that you can step on, to use in order to find your way out of the emotions you're feeling. A way that doesn't involves war and hatred. I doesn't say the USA goverment is that cynical, all I'm saying is that they have absolutely nothing to loose if USA goes to war. In fact, they have more to loose if they don't, since it's expected of them. They want to appear strong and do what a goverment should do, forgetting that real strenght, and admiration only comes to those who doesn't fall in and dare stand against what's expected. CNN sure hasn't anything to loose if USA go to war.

I, and many other, tries to create a counterweight against that, because we strongly believe that love, and not war, always is a better solution.

A war scares us, and creates the same fear you're feeling right now. That's why we so strongly stand behind our views.